Do a short sale, get a $20,000 tax bill
The law that exempts some forgiven mortgage debt from federal taxes expires Dec. 31. Unless Congress extends it, homeowners who do short sales or get principal reductions will get big tax bills.
As more underwater homeowners pursue short sales and principal reductions, they may not realize they are facing a deadline.
If debt you owe on your primary home is forgiven by Dec. 31, you will not have to pay federal income tax on that forgiven debt, as long as it was used to "buy, build or substantially improve your principal residence."
But if that debt is forgiven after 2012, borrowers will once again owe income tax on that amount. If you do a short sale and your lender writes off $100,000 of what you owed, that could mean a hefty tax bill. The same goes for foreclosure, in some states, or principal reductions that are part of mortgage modifications.
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David Dayen, in an article at Salon, does the math: "A $100,000 principal reduction for a family making the median adjusted gross income of $32,393 would calculate to an additional tax bill of roughly $21,200."
But in 2007, Congress passed the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act, which temporarily exempted debt used to acquire or renovate a principal residence. The exemption does not apply to mortgage refinancing in which the cash taken out was used for purposes other than buying, building or renovating a home. It also does not apply to investment property. (Borrowers in those situations can escape tax on the forgiven debt if they can prove insolvency or the debt is discharged through bankruptcy.)
If you plan to pursue a short sale, you might want to start now, though it may already be too late. While new rules have sped up the pace of some short sales, others still drag on for months.
Some members of Congress believe that the tax break should be extended, at least through 2013. A bill to extend the tax forgiveness through 2013 has already passed the Senate Finance Committee, but a vote has not yet been scheduled in the full Senate. The Obama administration supports extending the provision.
So if I tell you my 1970 Dodge Dart is a classic and worth $100,000 and you buy it then figure out it's just an old piece of junk who's engine won't start and the wheels fall off, if you get the debt forgiven where is the gain to be taxed?
It's so sad that the IRS is stooping so low as to go after folks who are barely staying out of bankruptcy.
The comments on here from some people wanting a free ride are absolutely amazing and that mentality is why this country is in the economic death spiral it is in. For nearly a decade many people bought homes too expensive for their means while they and others then used their home and its mortgage as an ATM machine taking out second and third loans, refinancing mortgages to use equity to buy stuff (Cars, motorhomes, boats, Motorcycles, second homes, etc.) They drained their equity to zero and then when the economy turned all of a sudden they are upside down.
Fast forward to today: Now many of the same people are finally facing the reality of what their outlandish lifestyle years ago has led to today with no money and a possible loss of home for those that can't make monthly payments.
So it begs the question as to whose fault is this and who should pay for their mistakes? And that is where I find it amazing for people who blame the banks... blame government... blame politicians for their own financial ineptitude. No one had a gun at their head when they signed up for all their loans and bought all their 'stuff'. And if they weren't savvy enough to read the fine print in the loan documents and be able to project out future revenues (income) vs. expenses with a strong cushion for disasters, then I say; Oh well that is your problem!!! Not the Government... not the bank... and clearly not mine as a taxpayer. And relating to the gist of this article, if a bank agrees to a short sale on your house, you are receiving passive income that is taxable so you need to pay it, unless you are lucky enough to live in one of the States (most likely one of the left-wing states) that has laws that forgive such income. Bottom line it makes me want to puke when I hear people expecting the government to pay for their mistakes. if that same moral compass was in place 225 years ago when the constitution was ratified, this country would have long ago gone down the toilet!
So...if my house is now worth less than what I paid for it and I can no longer make my mortgage payments, for whatever reason, and my mortgage lender agrees to a short sale, I am tax liable for the difference if it is written off!
That means that my government,who was instrumental in causing the collapse of our economy, is now going to tax me for a written off debt that they were instrumental in causing.
Man...I sure wish I had run for Congress instead of spending so many years defending the buggers who have put these burdens on us poor regular folks.
and now I can only get a job(s) that pay around 30% less in wages since I'm now competing with the global marketplace I have trouble meeting my obligation to the bank. but let's think large here. I'm not the only one in this situation. there are 12.5 million people out of work and 3.8 million jobs, do the math. not everyone is going to be able to do what is right. now what? our economy is 67% dependent on people spending money for revenue. if I don't have it to spend on what's necessary, I certainly don't have it to spend on luxuries, like a vacation or new car. revenues slow and more unemployed but the banks are sitting on close to 2trillion dollars they are not loaning out and for good reason now, no one makes enough to buy anything anymore. but there are those that support this, letting jobs go overseas and feeding their economies while we are just asking for a level playing field. I'm not asking for a bailout, grant, handout or help from friends and family but I would like to be able to now move on to something more affordable at today's prices without getting dinged due to something that was beyond my control but was certainly in their control and they choose to help the corporations but not everyday people that actually run this economy.
the programs for home loan help from the govt is a joke. do your homework. it is at the whim of the lender if they want to participate or not. I've tried everyone of them while still meeting my obligations but no help. there is no incentive for them to help. if they foreclose or go the short sale route, the govt makes up the difference, how is that fair?
so, stop watching fox news or any other for that matter and do your own homework. fact is they (fox news) have this set up perfectly to lie to you See Florida Feb 2003 court findings. they admit they can lie and distort the news, so what's the problem? now most everyone does it.
and from me to you who are not faced with this situation, you are truly blessed, but I am no less an upright individual because this has happened to me. I appreciate things so much more and pass judgement on others far less than before.....
For all those that say short sale losses should NOT be taxed as income tax gains I say this:
1) I pay my mortgage on time every month
2) I never took out a mortgage in the first place that I new I could not pay back under the terms I agreed to and read all the fineprint BEFORE I signed up
3) I have never taken any "HANDOUTS" from anyone-- government, banks or family
4) I am nothing special as this is what every AMERICAN should do- Period!
Now for those that are involved in a short sale I guarantee none of the above apply to you, so you are asking a bank to forgive your debts (while the rest of us not-so-special people) continue to pay our debts. And then on top of that, you are asking the federal government to forgive the taxes on the amount that the bank is effectively giving you for free. Again, this is while the rest of us pay our taxes without asking forgiveness.
So let me leave those in this situation with this thought; Why should the rest of us that think ahead, play by all the rules, pay our fair share now be asked to pay for you too? Maybe we should all just quit our jobs, stop paying mortgages and other bills and go for the government ride with you. Now doesn't that seem fair/
so, if we were a business, we could sell and write this off as a loss but since we're not, we get a tax bill for a short sell. This comes as no fault of my own, but if corporations are now people, then people should be able to do what corporations do and write them off. I'm not asking for a handout. but I take exception to a government that gives companies a tax credit for outsourcing jobs overseas and bailing out companies because they aren't making their profits because of an economy they created. Why are people so quick to bail out companies or let them write things off but hold the people accountable. either let me write off my loss or let them do what I have to do. I'm not good with this form of socialism - where we privatize the profits for companies and socialize the losses. So, I'll continue doing what I can to keep my word, but I'm sure they won't because they get to change the laws to protect their interests and not have to keep their word.
LET'S OPEN ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS: WHAT ABOUT THE RESPONSIBLE AMERICANS WHO OWN THEIR HOME FREE AND CLEAR? IF YOU TAX ON ONE SIDE, YOU GIVE BACK ON THE OTHER.....IF YOU OWN YOUR HOME FREE AND CLEAR AND THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME DROPPED $40,000.00 THIS YEAR, HA, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE OFF $40,000.00 OF INCOME THAT YEAR, RIGHT? HEY, THAT IS LOST INCOME!!! IT HAS TO WORK BOTH WAYS!!! IF YOU WANT TO CALL A SHORT SALE AN INCOME GAIN, THEN YOU HAVE TO CALL A LOSS A LOSS...NO CHERRY PICKING HERE FOR TAX REVENUE GAINS ONLY!!!
HOW CAN YOU BE TAXED ON A LOSS!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MINDSET OF AMERICA AND THIS GOVERNMENT??? HERE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE: IF YOU BUY A BRAND NEW CAR YOU ARE TAXED ON THE PURCHASE PRICE. IF YOU DECIDE TO SELL IT TO ANOTHER OWNER A FEW YEARS LATER, THE NEW OWNER PAYS THE SALES TAX ON THE CURRENT SALE PRICE!!! EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A HOUSE IS ANY DIFFERENT!!! NOW, IF YOU KEEP THE CAR FOR 40 YEARS AND SELL IT AS A CLASSIC CAR AND IT TRIPLES IN VALUE, DO YOU PAY SALES TAX ON THE ORIGINAL PRICE PAID ONLY...NOT!!! OH, THE GOV'T. ALWAYS GETS THE HIGHER AMOUNT OF COURSE! IN CONCLUSION, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE ASKED TO PAY THE FULL TAX BILL ON A PROPERTY THEY HAVE NO NO NO NO CASH VALUE IN CURRENTLY? IT WAS ON PAPER, NOT IN THEIR CHECKING ACCOUNT!!!
WHERE HAS ALL THE COMMON SENSE GONE??? IF I AM FORCED(NOT BY PERSONAL CHOICE) TO DO A SHORT SALE ON MY HOUSE THAT I HAVE TO SELL DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND MY CONTROL, IT SHOULD BE VIEWED AS A HARDSHIP! HERE ARE THE FACTS: MOST OF ALL MORTGAGES ARE GOV'T. INSURED--WHEN THERE IS A FORCLOSURE, THE BANK GETS PAID IN FULL BY THE GOV'T. FOR THEIR LOSS! DOES THE BANK PAY TAXES ON THAT INCOME,HA!! LOOPOLES, WRITEOFFS, ETC...NOT!! OH, REMEMBER THE BANKS GOT BAILED OUT RECENTLY AND NOW BRAG ABOUT THEIR RECORD PROFITS!! SECONDLY, THE BANK IS INVOLVED IN THE SHORT SALE AND THEY EQUALLY OWN THE HOME AND THE TAXPAYER IS GOING TO FOOT THE ENTIRE TAX BILL??? DO YOU GET THE PICTURE HERE!!! THE FLEECING OF AMERICANS IS OUT OF CONTROL!!! OUR GOV'T. DOES NOT NEED TO EXTEND THE "TAX BREAK", THEY NEED TO DESTROY IT FOREVER AND QUIT POUNDING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO FINANCIAL RUIN!!!!!
Maybe I am looking at this the wrong way but I think things are backwards.
The reason the banks were in trouble is because they made toxic loans. Or bad investments. But when banks make bad investments, we the tax payer bail them out. Did they have to pay tax on the money we gave them? I don't think so.
Homeowners have to pay tax on losses from bad investments, but banks don't
The political gurus who came up with the bailout plan should have given the bailout money to the homeowners with the stipulation that it be used to pay their mortage. Then the banks would have recieved the money for the bad investments they made and the homeowners get to keep their home.
But they gave the too big to fail banks the money and then the banks started taking back the homes that we tax payers already paid them for.
BTW if they are too big to fail then the must be a monopoly, and shoud be broken up into smaller not to big to fail businesses.