Should sand be banned?

A sandbox in a Seattle parking strip draws neighborhood children but also a threat of a $500-a-day fine. City officials are reconsidering their stance.

By Teresa at MSN Real Estate Aug 7, 2012 12:54PM

Tatyana Aleksieva Photography/Getty ImagesA streetside sandbox in Seattle has started a debate.

 

Should the city allow sandboxes and perhaps other play structures in the strip of land between the sidewalk and the street? Or should those structures continue to be barred?

 

The issue came to light when Paulo Nunes-Ueno moved to a neighborhood in northwestern Seattle and brought along the 8-by-4-foot wooden sandbox he had built for his 5-year-old daughter and 2-year-old son.

 

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The box was instantly popular with the neighborhood children, but not so popular with the city, which threatened the family with a $500-a-day fine if the structure was not removed from what is known in Seattle as the planting strip. You can see the sandbox here.

"I told them this is a silly rule. We should be encouraging neighbors to get together and children to play outside," Nunes-Ueno told The Seattle Times.

 

The narrow strip of land between the sidewalk and the street has different names in different regions; we call it the swale in Florida, where it sometimes serves as a water runoff area. Usually, while it appears to be part of your yard and you are expected to mow and maintain it, the city or county truly owns it and can make rules about what you can and cannot do with the space.

While some cities prohibit any plantings in the area, other cities – such as Seattle – have guidelines on how and what to plant in the parking strip. A planter box, which looks a lot like a sandbox, is allowed in Seattle.

 

Rather than fine the Nunes-Ueno family, the city of Seattle decided to take a closer look at the issue and evaluate whether a sandbox in the parking strip should be allowed.

One of the issues in the Seattle sandbox case is whether children should be encouraged to play so close to the street. On the other hand, creating a children's play space in the front yard is creating a sense of community, the neighbors say.

 

"The safest place for the sandbox is in the backyard, but then you lose out on all the community-building," City Councilman Mike O'Brien told The Seattle Times. "There's a public-safety benefit when people on a street know each other and look out for each other."

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Sep 2, 2012 10:59AM
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Pleasae don't send me emails with your comments. Leave your comments here on this web page. sand box or no sand box! Kids playing near a street forget and unfortunately some run into the street. Young chidren should have an adult watching them when they play near a street, or in there yard!
Sep 2, 2012 8:10AM
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If someone was to parallel park  there (which is legal on a city street) Could they easily open the passenger car door unobstructed?  Would a car door hit the sandbox? Could an elderly person get out?  What about hitting one of the kids when the door opens and they run up?

Is this just another way to keep people from parking in front of his house?

I believe that the "Block Parties" would still occur if it were on the other side of the sidewalk AND it  would be a lot safer for the kids.

HOWEVER, it is up to the residents on that street, the city attorneys (taxpayer liability) and the law.  I would not want that in my neighborhood.  On the other side of the sidewalk is fine, but I do not want to know that if we enforced the rules a child might not have been crippled or end up dead.  I guess some parents just do not see the danger... THAT is why laws are written... for the stupid, thoughtless and irresponsible.
Sep 1, 2012 10:11PM
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Ok come on, why would you put this in the what I have always called "Parkway" in the first place.  Anyone with a brain knows when they buy a house that this area legally belongs to the city, however you are charged with maintaining it.  Every city I have ever lived in has rules on what you can and what you can't plant or have in these areas. Where I live there is even a list of what trees are allowed to be planted in these parkways and all others are illegal.  This is due to the fact that I live in a city with millions of trees and you can't introduce foreign or disease susceptible trees to the area.  Second, I don't care what city you live in, in this country, who puts a sandbox out front anyways, it looks tacky and makes you look like a "hillbilly".  Third, if I was the city I would say fine you can keep it but you can't have it in the parkway, you have to move it across the sidewalk into your yard, won't kill the kids to walk an extra 4 feet now will it?  The reason cities have rules and regulations for stuff like this, is well, so stuff like this doesn't happen, everyone is held to same standard so people can't say, "well she got to put a sandbox in, why can't I have my own bench so on and so forth"
Sep 1, 2012 8:39PM
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typical hispanic mentaliy...fine...make ALL the parents of children who MIGHT play in the sand box sign a binding release in case or actually when one or more of them are injured OR killed...they bear FULL RESPONSIBILITY and CANNOT sue anyone for teir act of stupidity
Sep 1, 2012 3:59PM
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I would not let my kids play in the neighborhood cats LITTERBOX!   .thats sick....the worms your kids will get in their rear ends......Parents need to stop thinking with their rears......
Sep 1, 2012 3:42PM
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What a crock. Nothing wrong with a sandbox for children to play together in. What's wrong with this world when the cities make too mny nit pic rules to make money?
Sep 1, 2012 3:17PM
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Wow, to all u dimwits who say he is wrong, I grew up in the city on the streets of NY playing on the sidewalks with parental supervision. Where are these kids supposed to play when parks are being infiltrated by gangs, pedophiles, stalkers, molesters, and pervs who take/abduct children? And what if they lived in an apartment without a backyard like where i used to live? For heavens sakes the parents are there on the street with them! There is no harm in that! I grew up just like those kids and I turned out fine and I'm sure those kids will too. How much more freedom and liberties will our government take away from us and now our kids? This is just another one of our rights being taken away from us, pretty soon there gonna regulate how much air we breathe in! I say as long as there is parental supervision LET THE KIDS PLAY!! THEY'RE KIDS!
Sep 1, 2012 2:45PM
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Why not just put it in the middle of he street. The parents are just self absorbed, arrogant MORONS. Let the kis play in their yards or t a park. Streets, and the right of wys for them, are NOT playgrounds, especially for children young enough to play in a sandbox.
Sep 1, 2012 2:36PM
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Just leave the sandbox where it is, Paulo.

 

Just yesterday a 100 year old backed over a bunch of kids

 

7/26--Drunk driver plows in to crowd at 7 Eleven

 

This won't happen to your family Paulo. But if it does. . . You have no one to blame but yourself.

 

 

Sep 1, 2012 2:36PM
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Just another liberal who thinks rules and laws don't apply to them! There are reasons for those rules. All it takes is for one idiot in a car to come down that road and lose control for some reason...any reason, plow into that box, and you have dead kids. Or for one minute an adult to be distracted and not be watching, and as close as that thing is to the road...a kid wanders away for a split second and splat...kid and car occupy the same place at the same time...kid loses!

 

He can move it up into his FRONT lawn, and have the same effect on the neighborhood, and yet be sure those kids are safe. Sorry buddy...but if you don't like the rules of safety put there for you and your family...then move to a rural area where you don't have the traffic and the space is more open!

 

Oh...and that particular strip where you placed the sandbox? Actually that is CITY OWNED land. Your property ends at the sidewalk in that area. By covenance you are required to keep up the grass strip between the road and the sidewalk, but it is the property of the city to be used if needed for road widening purposes.

 

MOVE IT!

Sep 1, 2012 12:30PM
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Oy. What is with Hispanics allowing--encouraging, even--their kids to play in the street, and yes, the parking strip is practically the street. I have horrible issues in my neighborhood with kids ranging free in the streets, including but not limited to the parking strip...streets are for CARS, not kids. Cars can smash kids who dart out in front of them--I know that's a "well duh" comment for most, but apparently that knowledge is "culturally acquired". And don't even start me on how absolutely be-you-tee-full all that kindercrap looks when spread out all over the front yard. So much for property values.
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Of placing small children in close proximity to running vehicles I can say nothing without disparaging the wisdom or child development skills of the parents.  What I would object to is this piece of land which the city owns that home owners are obligated to care for without recompense.  If city laws required such a thing of me I would salt the ground and cover it over with astroturf.
Sep 1, 2012 11:46AM
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Normally I would take the side of the home owner but not this time. 1.) The planting strip is a safety buffer for vehicles and people. 2. The sandbox completely blocks the driveway which is illegal for many reasons. 3. The planting strip is an easement owned by the city. 4. It looks really stupid where it is!

Why not move it to the dead lawn in front or up on the driveway? You will still get the same effect with out the hassles!
Sep 1, 2012 11:26AM
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Whats this country coming too. Every day we loose a little bit of our Liberty with stupid laws which have Hidden agendas to benefit cities and state, not the publics interest! We all need to come together ,Neighbors and the community. We cannot depend on the police, they have gotten out of control. The first day of 1st grade for my grand Neice she was sent home because she had a sun dress with spagetti straps. It was 90 Degrees here in So. CAL. There dress code allows a minnimum 2" wide strap. A six year old !! Whats wrong with this picture My Daughters Midddle school, there not allowed to have any physical contact. You hold hands , you get suspended!

Here we call them park ways. But there seperated from your property with a side walk. People would put there trash cans on them and then the city passed a law that they had to be in the street against the curb. So No parking space.The fine is pretty large. I say screw the city and leave the sand box and bring there community toghter!.

Sep 1, 2012 10:06AM
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Way too close to the street for children to be playing!  During the video, there were children all over the place,NOT just in the box. 

 

Children get run over all the time because they see something and just dart into the street.  This happens when he child's hand is being held by the adult.  They just let go, and run into the street!  Children, espcially ones this small, lose focus on everything but what they are imagining at the time.  They certainly aren't focused on cars!

 

This is a NO GO!!!!!!!

Sep 1, 2012 10:05AM
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It never fails to amaze me how ridiculously stupid some adult parents can be. Children get run over all of the time, running into streets after escaping toys find there way into parkways. these people need their heads examined. Why don't they at least put the box in their own front yard? All the reasons not to put a sandbox next to the street are so obvious, they don't even need to be enumerated.
If the city is going to capitulate, they should be willing to accept the responsibility when a child gets hurt or killed (and you can bet they will). There should at least be a fence around it. The city would be as liable for injury as they would with playground equipment in city parks. There are very strict codes about clearances and fencing when traffic can be an issue.
On another note, sandboxes have a nasty habit of turning into kitty litter boxes. I worked in park maintenance and had to constantly have my crews rake out sand boxes for sanitary reasons. This is why a lot of parks are going to alternatives to sand as ground safety cover (rubber wood chips and rubber mats etc.) Do you really want your kids playing in the neighbors cats poo?
Sep 1, 2012 10:00AM
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No support here either.  Small children next to a street is asking for disaster.   All it would take is one child running out from behind a parked car blocking an on coming drivers view.  And that happens all to often already.

 

If it were on my street I would be very, very opposed to it being there.

 

Now if it was enclosed with a safe entrance and exit things might be different.

 

 

Sep 1, 2012 9:59AM
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wow.. Really?

That strip between the sidewalk and the street is and always has been city property. Sure, we have to mow it, but ffs, everyone knows you can't put structures there w/o city permission. And what adle brained moron would WANT children playing THAT close to the street????

Asshat just didn't want his grass ruined is what that's all about!

 

Derpa Derp!

Sep 1, 2012 9:43AM
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Sorry but this guy gets no support from me.  This is a recipe for disaster.  Sure people driving on the street may slow down when they see an adult standing out there but what about when the adults are not there?  Like when they run inside to grab some water, a band aid, or check on dinner's progress.  What about when the owners are not home and other children wander over to play unsupervised? Consider what might happen if someone decides to park along the street there and they are not an experienced parallel parker.  Think about what a great gathering place for the unregistered sex offenders in the area this creates. A little common sense could go a long way here.  Invite your neighbors over for a potluck once in awhile Paolo and move the sandbox to the back yard  where there will be less likelihood of a car colliding with an innocent child. 

And now that this situation has gone global good luck in keeping the gawkers and pedophiles away.  Your street is now more dangerous than ever.

Sep 1, 2012 9:09AM
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might as well just put the sandbox in the street, seems just as safe
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Teresa Mears is a veteran journalist who has been interested in houses since her father took her to tax auctions to carry the cash at age 10. A former editor of The Miami Herald's Home & Design section, she lives in South Florida where, in addition to writing about real estate, she publishes Miami on the Cheap to help her neighbors adjust to the loss of 60% of their property value.

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