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Apr 30, 2009 10:21AM

I also agree with Jacques, it's a big chunk of money to install those unit and it require planning.  It will take a few years to get the money back.

While on the other hand, a car (new or used) is a necessary for most people in the US.  Eating out once in a while, shop for cloth, have a drink, are part of our live, don't lock yourself at home alone, go out with your friends and have a little fun in this depressing time.  Smile

Apr 18, 2009 11:05AM
The tax credit on Geothermal systems this year and next is 30% of the total cost of installing the system with no cap for 2009 and 2010 as long as the system is installed by 2016. There may be other incentives too. Massave in Massachusetts offers a 10,000 zero interest loan for 7 years for qualified energy saving devices. You must be a customer of one of the gas companies or electric companies but not the municipally owned companies. You must have a free energy audit done first by one of the companies. Google your utility, go to energy savers, click on the dsire website and find the credits, rebates and tax advantages available to youin your state .
Apr 18, 2009 9:07AM



its a shame that ppl like you have to put down someone else  just because YOUR experience wasnt/isnt the same!


Stiebel Eltron TEMPRA 20 Tankless Water Heaters  Our Price: $482.05











and i did the project with as you said about $200 in materials.


now this is an electric water heater AND i dont have hot tubs and the like we are a very simple and down to earth family. we have alternative power for our 888sq home.


if you cant run your home for free YOUR NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!

Apr 18, 2009 5:31AM

I have been doing green stuff for 25 years now and am familiar with everything you have here. .tankless water heaters are way over blown as are geothermal units in most applications. The most effective and efficient thing you can do is put up a clothes line and use it.

Apr 17, 2009 9:21PM
I have lived green for years and found it fun and saves me big time.  To bad the general public to often lives in denial and fights the green movement.  I have been called a Communist, Liberal, or tree-hugger and knew the idiots were stupid.  Sounds like Rush Limbaugh had to many narrow minded people believing his crap.
Apr 5, 2009 2:23AM

Hi Guys , i like the house it looks pretty. but is it suatable to hot clamite, between 30-45 degrees?

it is so it would be great

Apr 4, 2009 11:55PM
I have to agree with Jacques- the outlaying of cash is a big concern to most working families.  HVAC Guy scolds consumers who claim they can't afford it and then go and buy a 34k Camry?  Who are you talking about?  Most people are keeping old cars running or buying used cars, not eating out (as much or at all) and opening the windows because it's cheaper than running the AC!  Get with the real world- reports on cost-cutting improvements are great, but to run a piece as Improve Your Home in a Recession that require thousands of dollars up front?  We're trying to keep from losing the house altogether!  Come on!
Apr 1, 2009 9:39AM
I'm amazed when people like Jacques here says people can't afford upgrades that have a definite payback. Apparently no one has a concern when buying a new car, going on vacation, buying new clothes, going out to eat or smoking and/or drinking (or spending on anything else that depreciates or is consumed outright). But suggest some upfront cash (loans) for products that pay for themselves and all of a sudden consumers "can't" afford them. A good hot water solar system for a family of four should cost around 12-20k and show a payback in 3-7 yrs. Fed tax credit knocks off another 4-6k (no cap). Geothermal is higher upfront, longer payback BUT STILL PAYS FOR ITSELF in 5-10 years (with it's own 30%, no cap fed. tax credit as well). What's the return on investment (ROI) on a beer? Or a 34k Camry?
Apr 1, 2009 8:01AM

Regarding tankless water heaters. We built our home about 17 years ago & about 4 years ago replaced our electric water heater (which was in our tiny attic) with a gas water heater. We love it. Never run out of hot water, it's mounted on the rear corner of my house, out of sight. Also being outside it doesn't take up room inside the house. My electric usage per day has declined & can only tell a negligible difference in my gas bill. Smile

Apr 1, 2009 6:24AM
Nearly all of these ideas cost a lot of money. For most people, they are impractical because of that reason.
Mar 14, 2009 4:41PM
More corrections: The south and west (not east and west) sides of a house in NA receive the most solar exposure in summer.

Also, experts do not recommend wind turbine placement within 200 feet of any structure or trees, because such objects create turbulence that drastically reduces the power output of the turbine and increases wear due to frequent shifts in wind direction. The phot of the turbine between two chomneys is a great illustration of what not to do! The turbine should be at least 30 feet above the roof. Rooftop wind turbines are generally not suitable for city use, as they usually cannot perform well.
Mar 14, 2009 3:41PM
there is no cap on tax credit for geo units, who is reading this stuff, the $1500 cap is on 95%afue gas furnace or on heat pump system but, no cap on GEO.  30% OF JOB COST IS TAX CREDIT WORTHY....
Mar 14, 2009 2:35PM
This is not accurate information. Tankless water heaters will cost at least 1,000.00 for the unit without installation. In the southern states installation cost's are less because they hang on the outside of the house. In the midwest costs run much more because they need to be installed inside the homes to prevent freezing. Installation in the real world can run between $2,000.00 and $3,500.00 depending on where it needs to be installed and if the house is brick or stucco. Also if you currently have gas in the house and always remember you want to have soft water on these units due to lime problems if you live in an area with hard water. If you need a softener add more $$$$ to the equation. These are nice units they will supply you endless hot water to 2 or 3 fixtures at once depending upon the flow rates. If you are filling a large bathtub with a high flow rate faucet, this may be the only fixture you can run. The burner's in these units modulate from 17,000 btu to 199,000 btu. Normal 40 gal. gas heater has a 40,000 btu in it. If you have a family you won't be saving money, you will have the convenience of not running out of hot water, but your gas bill's may be higher. If you live alone you will save $$$$. Talk to a plumber to find out if it is the right application for you.  Smile
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